It's depressing to hear, truthfully and he sighs as he takes a drink of his wine. Letting it roll over his tongue, rich and delightful. "This is one of the best wines I've ever had. Thank you for sharing with me," he says with a nod of his head. "But it's sadly true how much we still face. All of us. We've talked with some of the others, just reaching out. I think, in the end, it's what we're going to need in the long run to survive. Not all agree, but then I suppose that's how it is."

His sister was one of them. She wanted to stay secluded, to avoid everyone. Already her kids were fighting back to go out with others and it was why he was in Rome.

That's get a snort from him. "I would say something about humans, but I can't say others haven't had their issues as well. Like your friend. Not as if we smell like wet dog when it rains," he teases with a carefree smile.

He nods though at that. "I am second to our Alph... I was second," he corrects, still finding that hard. "She has her own family now and so they don't need me and now I'm here."

Maybe that wasn't entirely the truth but it was how it felt. He felt like he had no place anymore, and if he was going to be outside of things, he might as well be away.